Nurses out in force in demonstration over pay

HUNDREDS of nurses, midwives and their supporters marched through the town centre on Saturday to demonstrate that they want a fair and equitable pay deal.

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HUNDREDS of nurses, midwives and their supporters marched through the town centre on Saturday to demonstrate that they want a fair and equitable pay deal.

It was an unprecedented public display by such a large group of them to signal they were no longer prepared to take a back seat when it came to pay, and were feeling demoralised and undervalued.

Setting off from Howard Davis Park in bitterly cold weather at 2 pm, they held their banners high, blew whistles and horns, and chanted slogans.

See today's JEP for full report and pictures

Comments for: "Nurses out in force in demonstration over pay"

Opportunity

Excellent Opportunity: Complete nursing degree paid for by the States; pretty much guaranteed job with excellent salary in excess of £33,000

Why aren't more people taking this up?

A nurse in Jersey will be getting more pay than doctors until doctors are late in to their twenties.

Nurse

Excellent question 'Opportunity', why aren't more people taking this up?

Firstly because the pay is NOT in excess of £33,000,start off pay is £27,000. and it has been clear that the issue is not about the pay rise, its about fair and equal pay to that of other healthcare workers.

Jersey youngsters and the like do not see nursing as a viable career option, and this is why there are so many vancancies and staff retention issues, no one in Jersey see's nursing as a career option due to inequalities.

Fred M

If this is really the case then why is Jersey finding it so difficult to recruit experienced nurses. The ones they do manage to recruit do not stay very long. This suggests to me that something is very wrong.

Fashy

I'd love to know how many actual hospital empolyees there were. It would also be good to hear some opinions other than those of the union leaders who, in my experience, are generally quite blinkered and protect their union members with little or no consideration to the wider public.

Nurse

'No consideration to the wider public', thats why nurses do not strike and will take no industrial action that will effect patient care!!

Fashy

I was talking about union leaders not the nurses themselves. Again, in my experience, it's often belligerent union leaders that stir up trouble for their own power trip. Obviously, this isn't always the case but I get a sense from articles and comments here that the general public doesn't really know what you're fighting for and does not have comparative data to make a valid assessment. If you want more support, give us the information and let us make an informed judgement.

JT

Alternatively you could do a little research yourself rather than just read the the JEP article and get blinkered/one sided views from some of the comments posted here.

Fashy

The whole point in reading the comments thread is that you get both sides but thanks for your useful input. I read the JEP articles, I checked the States website for information on paybands and I listen to the comments here. The info comming from the people is different to what's on public record. If I was a disgruntled nurse / union leader I would make sure the public have the correct information in order to try and garner support. Either way, I'm past caring. I'm leaving our precious island in less than 3 weeks....this place is going down the toilet. (I'm early thirties and born here and my property is rapidly approaching the value I paid for it 6 years ago.....time to find a better life).

ethan

about 3000 staff in HSS - about 1000 nurses

tony

Can anybody please give the public an answer to why you don't think a salary in excess of £33k to be unreasonable + all the benefits of course.

We are struggling to understand how you think the rest of us can pay for this!

Nurse

Tony,

The vast majority of nurses do not recieve a salary in excess of £33,000. Whose supplying you with your facts? SEB?

Also did you not read the article, it is clearly stated the issue is about equality. This has even been acknowledge by the chief minister that there is a historical issue surrounding nurses pay!

Also you mention 'all the benifits, which are what?

.Unequal pay compared to other healthcare workers doing a similiar job, No overtime, Terrible maternity leave.

If our pay was so reasonable tell me why we have such a huge retention and recruitment issue, low morale across the board and a serious lack of locals wanting to train as nurses??

Fashy

Public information on the States website lists the pay bands. Newly qualified staff nurse is 33.5k. It was also reported as this amount in the JEP. What is the equity you are looking for exactly - who are the other health care workers and what is their remuneration?

Newby

Newly qualified nurse (band 3) gets £27 000. That's after 3 years training.

No Idea

You clearly have no idea - they are disputing 'fair pay' i.e why some other similar qualified professionals in the health service earn more!

Also remember the long hours and the difficult work they have to do - yes its basically the same as in the UK, however seeming Jersey is not what is use to be why should they stay over here?

This Profession is in demand across the globe, if you upset these key workers there will be no one left to help you when you really need it!

peter price

Lets face it the Police are paid way too much and if their salary was reduced there would be plenty of money to go around.

Mol

The police get paid for tea breaks as they are too busy to come to your aid as they are away too busy having tea and biscuits, Police are away over paid, Nurses work hard and should be paid a decent wage for it... Time we should showed them what they are worth....

Renegade

I had to support my partner and myself on a salary of £20,500 a year in Jersey and made do, not sure why nurses can't manage with £33K if indeed that's how much they're earning?

Karl

I'm in full support of the nurses.

The union and Mr Corbel in particular are doing a fantastic job of standing up for the ordinary worker. I just wish that more workers were as brave as these nurses.

If it wasn't for Jersey's bloated and unsustainable finance industry, the island wouldn't be in this fiscal mess.

Jersey needs more union power.

Kermit

Corbell doesn't stand up for the ordinary worker, he stands up for the public sector workers.

Karl

No, he stands up for the members of Unite.

I think he does a fine job for his members. Workers must fight hard in order to get the best deal possible.

Kermit

Can anybody join the Unite?

Get the best possible deal at the expense of the tax payer more like.

You agree to take a job, you sign a contract, if you are not happy anymore, you can leave.

He does a fine job at nagging the State because it is his job. If we had some Corbell in the private sector:

1- A few companies will have to close.

2- All the perks in the public sector would be questioned and then abolished.

Kelly

Nurses should be paid more, they have responsibility for people's lives require a high standard of education and have to prove this is ongoing through their registration, no sitting back on your laurels once in the door oh an unsociable hours missing key moments with their families such as Christmas! But also no mention of the other under paid health workers, always health not defence workers, paramedics who again do the same and on last pay argument were aligned to nurses salaries but are forgotten now!!!!! Maybe cut defence budget and pay our health workers what they deserve!!!!

JonJon

Thought to the person called Opportunity above

Cost of living in Jersey is far higher than in the UK as we all now.

Point: Old Connex bus drivers earned in excess of 40,000pa (could earn up to 70,000 with Overtime, for a much lower risk to carry on your shoulders.

Worth noting: Imagine you go to Hospital and a nurse does something wrong as they are over worked used and abused! They get relocated to cover an under staffed ward because of management not being able to hold on to these very helpful staff. Something minor happens and they get disciplinary etc and may a dismissal! Where else do they go there’s only One General hospital? What do they do now I wouldn’t want to carry that pressure would you?

I feel sorry for the staff in the General as I have been a patient where I have seen nurses rushed off their feet and don’t sit down for an entire shift – Hard to imagine you will still have a lot so nurses working into their 50 and 60’s with their heavy work load for minimal wages.

Good Luck to them they do deserve way more

Net

Just to point out bus drivers have never earned £70,000.

Propaganda

Really Net, that's not what I have been told. Apparently drivers regularly took home 1100 - 1200 per week with overtime at connex

Fashy

1200 per week is £62k per year

James

Ah, differentials. I've seen comments about comparing nurses pay to OT's and paramedics, but would be grateful if someone could advise how many nurses are we talking about, versus how many paramedics and how many OT's. (I ask out of ignorance but this is relevant data).

It is not unusual for employee groups to pick out the comparison that best suits their claim. At other times, it might be about raging inflation. Or pay awards in the private sector. Or elsewhere in the public sector. Or comparative pay awards averaged over the last 3 years, or 5 years, or 10 years, whatever suits best.

Fairness can mean different things to different people. Compare to the private sector - what value job security? What value a final salary scheme? When the unions approach the negotiating table, will they be prepared to really negotiate - to give as well as take? Or is fairness and equality a selective one way street?

The bottom line is if we do not have enough nurses, their overall packages are too low and should be increased. If we have enough, then there is no exception to be made here. I would add the same about OT's and paramedics -do we have too many or not enough? Perhaps it is they who are overpaid in which case the solution is somewhat different.

Of course, the unions on Saturday filled their boots. It became also about the nurses being over-stretched. I don't know what over-stretched means - are they having to work 10 or 12 hour shifts when they don't want to? Are those extra hours unpaid? Again, don't know, would welcome advice.

Nurse

65 shift per day being worked for flat rate, not overtime, these shifts are being worked so the hospital stays open, because there is not enough staff. It cannot go on, the good will has gone, nurses physically cannot keep this going. Something must change and very soon.

James

Sorry, what's a 65 shift? Presume it is a long day (is it 6am to 5pm?) that you are being forced to work? Is that the case for all nurses? And the extra hours are being paid (albeit at flat rate)?

Just clarifying. Would you happen to know how many nurses we have, versus how many paramedics/OT's? The core issue as I understood was the differential between nurses pay and other health care workers, although you are now throwing in other issues as well.

Jac

James - 65 is not the length of a shift, 65 is the number of shifts per day that cannot be covered with permanent staff because of staff shortages. There are many issues which is why Jersey cannot recruit or retain experienced nurses. If nurses in Jersey were paid a fair and equal wage and had similar terms & conditions to their UK colleagues then perhaps we would have enough permanent staff to cover these shifts. And before you ask if it is so good in the UK why the nurses don't go there to live, the answer is THEY ARE, and that James is the problem - for everyone who lives in Jersey.

James

Thanks Jac, didn't understand Nurses comment. So, 65 shifts every day being worked by temporary staff of one sort another, or not worked at all. Demand far exceeds supply, we should pay more.

What I don't understand is why with all the publicity and marches and rallies and union leaders, they have failed to spell this out.It's a clear fact. I don't know how many nurses we have but 65 shifts every day seems extremely high - not doubting you at all but why have they gone on about paramedics and OT's? 65 shifts every day being filled by temporary nurses is a stunning headline and that is what they should be saying.

Thomas

Other healthcare workers receive overtime rates when they are asked to work over their contracted full-time hours - NURSES DO NOT.

James

More importantly than a few other healthcare workers, it would be usual for the tens of thousands in the private sector for overtime to be paid at a premium rate. I would certainly negotiate a change to a private sector overtime basis (ie time and a half) together with a change to a private sector pensions basis (ie money purchase). Fair all round?

Thomas

Are SEB gong to wait until hospital services need to be cut because of lack of staff before they address this long standing problem (which is getting worse)? If the goodwill from the nurses goes we will all feel the impact - who else is qualified to cover these 65 shifts per day?

Anon

Nurses are being offered 3 years of pay cuts. A couple of hundred pound last Xmas, a below RPI this year and next year's rise funded by cuts to their terms and conditions. They will be below the poverty line in 2 years, wake up and support your Nurses.

andy

reply to renegade. I met my wife when she was training as a nurse and was supporting three children whilst training as a nurse earning much less than 20K per year. it was a struggle for her. Now qualified she consistenly works long hours, some of which are antisocial and unpaid, as she often stays behing because of patients needs and understaffing. This is down to a states of Jersey issue of possibly 'too many chiefs and not enough indians', and in the current climate where is the funding going to come for more indians. As it stands now there are many senior staff nurses that are approaching retirement age. So where is the incentive to encourage younger local people to embark on a nursing career.

So please support your local nurses, we may all need them at one time.

Thomas

What a sad state of affairs when the people who look after us in our hour of need have to march through the town centre to get their voices heard. Shame on you SEB.

Jersey Eco Warrior

Nursing is such a front line job because it really is hands on, they don't stop and we all need them, like me today. I am reliant on the goodwill and training of a nurse for my relative to come through. I have a lot of respect for them.

Kermit

It seems logic to pay them more if we don't have enough of them. It s like "need and demand", when things are rare, they go up in price.

Why can't they build a nurse training center in the new hospital if finding nurse is that difficult?

English nurse

I left the island years ago to do my nurse training. After qualifying my starting salary in England was approximately 20,000. After 9 years working in a very busy A&E my salary had reached approximately 26,000. Just saying...

Jersey nurse

English nurse,

Please come back to Jersey, we have loads of vacancies in a wide range of specialties and in case you've forgotten in the nine years since you've left we've also got a higher cost of living, less equality than you get in the NHS in relation to the pay you receive in comparison to other healthcare professionals, we also have less maternity leave and benefits.

So English nurse your pay may be less but for the UK it is comparable. No doubt you can afford your own home as well, if you can't no doubt you can enjoy the benefits of shared equity schemes that allow nurses, teachers etc to get on the housing ladder, no doubt you can enjoy cheaper travel cost that aren't met by your employer to maintain your prep requirements if you have to travel from your hospital to another for training. Maybe just maybe you get paid more than a Bulgarian nurse, just saying........

So come home English nurse or did you forget why you left?