Phone line for reporting illegal workers?

A PHONE line that encourages Islanders to report illegal workers could be introduced, a hearing was told yesterday.

The head of the Island’s Population Office, Paul Bradbury
The head of the Island’s Population Office, Paul Bradbury

A PHONE line that encourages Islanders to report illegal workers could be introduced, a hearing was told yesterday.

Speaking at a Scrutiny hearing on a new law designed to help control Jersey’s spiralling immigration rates and ensure that local residents get priority for jobs, the head of the Island’s Population Office, Paul Bradbury, said that a culture of whistleblowing could be key to ensuring that the new system is enforced.

In March the States are due to consider the new Control of Housing and Work Law for the final time before it comes into force later in the year. Under the legislation every Islander would be required to present a card showing their employment status.

This would be either ‘licensed’ or ‘unlicensed’, the latter reflecting under five years’ residency.

Comments for: "Phone line for reporting illegal workers?"

small business

Too late as usual they have all moved on to greener pastures!

Alan

They should make it ten years residency not five because there are far too many local people out of work.

Scrutineer

It will make very little difference. Most of those planning to stay have married locals within 5 years! This is not the US, where marriage to a US citizen does not get you a green card unless you have employment skills they want.

Simon

That would be an idea worth looking at, as well as the Australian visa model.

Real Truthseeker

Simon: The Australian Visa model is in place! I migrated to Jersey and the points system is tougher than the UK. If you want to migrate to Jersey you must meet UK immigration law - not Jersey as it fulls under it.

Dave

Unfortunately, that is the not the case to a great enough extent. We now see the problems which are thereby caused.

I feel that, if what you say is correct, then Jersey needs to implement its own and much more strict immigration control.

Clanger

We could also have a line for those keeping illegal pigs, having a radio and listening to the BBC, hiding escaped Slave Labourers. Just like the old days!

Simon

Godwin's law. I wondered how long it would be before someone narrow-minded were to come out with the wartime tosh.

Tony B

The UK has a plethora of phone lines and confidential imformation phone lines for various things, including Illegal Imigrants. Advertised heavily on local radio stations.

Renton

Yep thats it! Grass thy neighbor up...just like Nazi Germany!

Godwin's law again

But they are not really neighbours, because they shoudln't be here.

Jerseybean

What a load of rubbish.Jobs for locals,not a chance whilst our local employers insist on employing EU workers,When did we become part of the EU,Bring back permits quick.How many shops employ locals,Not that new one at St Peter for sure.The 5 year rule for some jobs is a waste of time.So they come here take all the unskilled jobs for the first 5 years then take our skilled jobs after that.WE ARE NOT PART OF THE EU end of story.....

Jobtaker

But what about all the beans that move to the UK & Ireland and take jobs away from locals there! That is not right either! I am a firm believer for locals being first preference for jobs but I know plenty of situations where the shoe is on the other foot!

Simple Sid

What about all the Jersey people that work in Aussie and UK taking away local jobs?

Explaining to Sid

Well, in the Uk they do so legally, while in Australia they do so under the supervision of a visa, a system which we should implement here.

Real Truthseeker

It does exist here. Someone from outside the EU who wants to work in Jersey must meet UK Immigration law.

I dont' know how many people have to be told this, and still dont' understand their own governments laws!

Harry

What we need though is a visa system which would catch all of the eu persons who currently pour into Jersey.

egalitarian

I think it's unfair to blame only shops. What about the State's departments that employ non-local residents? The banks also have a fair share of new non-resident employees.

Sensible

Dont most, if not all, states jobs require 5 years residency?

egalitarian

Good question!

Scrutineer

Most of them are hospital doctors, nurses and technicians. A&E consultants do not grow on trees here, unfortunatley.

Harry

Well, they have nothing to worry about then. In fact, I expect, as professional people, that they would support any system which will discourage illegal behaviour.

the thin wallet

this morning in the new town park, the one with no car park underneath it .

there was a uk company working on the, car wash style fountain.

i was gobbsmacked .

do we have no local people who can do this work?

brightside

You will probably find that the fountain thingy is under warranty and as with most warranties the item has to be serviced by the OEM or the warranty will be void. Give it another few months then the clueless local firms can be let loose on it. That is if they can find one that will call you back, shows any interest in working at all or turn up at all after saying they will do the job.

Hello

But don't forget that a warranty exists in addition to contractual and statutory rights.

If the fountain is of unsatisfactory quality or is unfit for purpose, then the vendor cannot hide behind the warranty.

A warranty cannot limit or negate existing rights.

the thin wallet

i would love to know the maintenance costs that may come with the extended warranty. how hard is a spray rail a pump and a controller?.

loads of talented engineers in jersey.

the clueless bit that you refer to may be the controller interface that the installers got to programe the thing.

Stan

I thought we had one called Crimestoppers

Simple Sid

We do have a problem if the authorities cannot control an area 9 x 5?

sporran

What a load of rubbish. The main problem is that anyone in the eu can work here legally. the 5 year rule is hardly ever applied and unlimited J cats are dished out like confetti.

sporran

I think the number should be 999 as this is an island emergency. Unemployment is soaring!

jerseythepartiesoverover

Not too sure how much Paul Bradbury gets paid but I bet it is a lot in order to suggest that people should dob in people who live next to them instead of the government bringing in proper immigration laws.

That is a civil servant for you.

I also notice he has taken to to getting his picture taken at the top of government buildings as Gorst does. Delusions of grandiour.

Captain Fantastic

We should have work permits issued to everyone, those working or employing someone without a permit should be heavily fined.

In reality the politicians are reluctant to stem the flow of immigrant labour as it undermines any move towards acceptable working practices like a decent wage, decent conditions, and discrimination laws.

Illegal immigrants currently working for a leading secrutiy company here, and remember those working on the runway under the noses of immigration!

Caz

How about a phone line to report lazy benefit claimants who can't be bothered getting a job? Ben Shenton's research last year suggested a single mother with 3 kids on housing and other benefits would need to earn c £37,000 p.a to be better off working.Go figure!

Jerry Gosselin

The article is a bit misleading when it says that the States are due to 'consider' the new law for the final time before it comes into force. What will actually happen is that the minister in charge of the legislation will issue a flurry of very complex regulations, which the majority of States Members will not even bother to read. By tradition, the States does not debate regulations, although they absolutely should do. At best, you will get two or three short comments being made, usually praising the minister for doing such a good job, before the regulations are adopted on a standing vote with no opposition. This is why our States Assembly cannot be taken seriously as a debating chamber. It is a sham.

As for the suggestion that a phone line should be introduced to enable people to report illegal workers working here, this proves that the claims made by Senator Routier when proposing the changes were simply not credible. He sold them to us on the basis that the new powers would hinder 'white van man' from coming over here. Such people would be caught by the need to register when they arrived, we were promised. If they now want islanders to tell them about illegal workers then logically, they must realise that the new regime is not going to do what the executive promised us it would do.

The truth is that this law will have no detrimental effect on EU workers who want to come here to work. The REAL purpose of the legislation, which was cloaked behind the complex immigration and housing parts, is to drastically increase the powers of the States to monitor the whereabouts and behaviour of all islanders at all times... and to use the information subsequently obtained to prosecute people for petty offences that the present system finds very difficult to detect.

Overpopulated

The best way to deal with 'white van man' is to get ferry to record details of driving licence address and reg no and report to the UK 'report a benefit cheat' phone line.

That will soon stop them

runner

those working should be fined if found worknig without permits, and likewise the employers should be heavily fined too.

These Jersey employers who employ immigrants on the sly and on the cheap are prob the first to complain about too many immigrants in the island when they are trying to order their lunch in a cafe with non english speaking staff!

Captain Haddock

I am puzzled here me hearties! Does this open the flood gates for reporting on every EU national that bravely leaves their place of birth to seek legitimate employment in our fair island. The chances are that someone working illegally would only approach a dodgy employer who doesnt ask questions in the first place. I fail to see how this would curb immigration in any way. Call me a cynical old seafarer if you like.

Flymo

Fishy, me old salty seadog,

And thus is the crux of the problem. These idea is groundless. It is not the illegals that are causing the problem but the increased quantity of legals.

Ah well, back to swabbing the decks until I can get another real job.

SEBEK

The facts are that Banks and I would image States Departments can initially only employ locals or people with over 5 years residency. They can only fill a role outside of this criteria if no suitable local or 5 year+ resident can be found, if this is the case they must apply for a licence to gain approval to fill the role. These restrictions do not apply to many shops and other business who I imagine are only paying low wages and therefore mainly attract newcomers who are not eligible to apply for the better paid roles. The only way locals with apply for these unlicensed roles is if the States reduce Social Security benefits and increase the minimum wage.

bumble

The FACT IS that States departments continue to employ non locals as 'consultants' therefore bypassing all residency rules.

Maybe if someone raised the question in the House - 'exactly how much is spent by the States employing non residentially qualified people in positions paying over £50K per year?' - you would be very surprised at the wage bill.

This island has the talent but bad States management believe that budgets must be spent, even if it is on people that are simply a waste of money.

I witness this every working day.

Scrutineer

You need to be very careful about increasing the minimum wage. although there are all the normal 'multiplier theories' about the spillover benefits of minimum wages, there is a lot of research on this. Some have made valiant attempts to prove otherwise, but the consensus remains that a minimum wage above a certain level does more harm than good.

You are, in principle, correct on benefits, but it is very difficult to get this right without some unintended consequences. The precise formulation of the stick and carrot is hard to put together. There are cultural issue involved. For example, I now know that in some Eastern European countries if you have a baby and cannot afford a home, you have to live with one of the sets of grandparents, and if that involves having a sofa bed in the sitting room, so be it.

The fundamental problem is the employment and benefit expectations that younger islanders developed in the good years up to 2008, and which still exist. At the end of the day some people have to get their fingers dirty, and if young locals are not going to do it we need immigrant labour. It is a pity, but that is the way it is, unless one can drive down benefits.

Overpopulated

Young locals will have to do it or not received welfare it is insane to have a constant influx whilst others are paid not to work.

The big problem will be dealing with the 'foreign foreman' problem and the huge welfare payments for having babies.

Here's a thought

“Why are they so worried about immigrants? An immigrant is just someone who used to be somewhere else.”

Russell Brand

Overpopulated

Sheer numbers dear boy, not to mention record unemployment.

Not to mention the use of the hospital, schools, etc

Clanger

What this does is give licence to all of those who finish their sentences with 'yes eh' the chance to make phone calls about their neighbours; who might leave the house at six in the morning, work a twelve hour shift, before starting a second job and looking after the kids whilst their partner works nights.

Because let's face it immigrants are the only ones who are prepared to work those hours, so it is sort of like shooting fish in a barrel, someone you inform on must be illegal.

Sally

If these wonderful people are not breaking the law, then clearly they will have nothing to worry about.

Kathrin

Immigrants come to work sober, do not call sick every second day and are very easy going to work with. Local people, on the contrary, do not want to work as they are better off on benefits,sitting in the pubs and complaining about immigrants taking their jobs!

Sue

Hmm, that sounds a little small minded to me. A more open minded and less bigot approach would be in order.

La Moye Squirrel

Rather a generalisation! I worked with one immigrant who had a witch hunt out for me because I am an English native speaker and the other one was so lazy she spent most of her time on the 'phone to her cronies! I rest my case. People are people no matter where they come from.

Gwasbach

Nope, I am inclined to agree with Kathrin. Many immigrants have a far better work ethic than some Jersey folk. Those from Eastern European countries are hard working, honest, polite and innovative. If I were an employer I know who I'd prefer to take on if I wanted the best results.

Standby, standby - incoming :-) !!

Gasbag

Fortunately, it sounds like you are not an employer. Nor probably will you be, if that is your attitude to the people of the place where you choose to stay. :)

Clanger

If you are that keen do it yourself there might be a reward. If these things are important to you why leave it to others?