Manual workers strike a ‘very real possibility’

THE Unite union held an emergency meeting today to discuss balloting its manual workers over industrial action in response to the controversial public sector pay settlement.

Manual workers pictured at a previous protest in 2009. Unite members are said to be ‘raging’ after the States negotiating body recently imposed a final pay settlement
Manual workers pictured at a previous protest in 2009. Unite members are said to be ‘raging’ after the States negotiating body recently imposed a final pay settlement

THE Unite union held an emergency meeting today to discuss balloting its manual workers over industrial action in response to the controversial public sector pay settlement.

Earlier this month the States negotiating body broke off pay talks and imposed its final offer of a 1% one-off payment this year, 1% rise and one-off payment next year, and a 4% rise in 2014 dependent on workers accepting changes to their terms and conditions.

Today Unite spokesman Nick Corbel said that he had called an emergency meeting of the union’s negotiating team to discuss the possibility of action.

He said: ‘We are meeting to discuss our options over balloting for industrial action. We will almost certainly be balloting over industrial action early in the New Year and striking is a very real possibility. Our members are raging – I have never known anything like this.’

Full story in Monday's JEP

Comments for: "Manual workers strike a ‘very real possibility’"

Kermit

Good, they stick to what they do best: Get one person to do something: speak (in this occasion) and leave the others to watch.

We want more

Funny how it is never unemployed people protesting...

Obviously Corbell never saw something like this. I doubt he was the Devil's advocate in the last Jersey recession ? So, no surprise you can't work out A+B, cause A is skint, B out of order and C well upset to provide for B when they could be worst off like D!

pETE

About time the states employees joined the real world. They do not have a god given right to a pay rise, any more than somebody in the private sector.

I have no sympathy.

Sam

"and a 4% rise in 2014 dependent on workers accepting changes to their terms and conditions."

Read as "and a 4% rise in 2014 dependent on workers accepting a reduction in the standard of their working terms and conditions."

joker

"read as" or fact?

Thirtysomething

Even if it is fact, what are these changes or reductions to the terms?

Is this another connex situation where the workers are already getting unreasonable and unrealistic terms and complaining that its been changed for the benefit of all workers, not just a few privileged?

Or is it something genuine that other people would agree with?

After all, Unions fighting for unrealistic and stupid conditions helps no one and make unions appear a waste of time.

Mario

I am sure that had you been about when unions came into being that you would have been spouting the same rubbish! Unions are here for a reason. We all know what reason is.

Thirtysomething

What are you on about now, Mario?

Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that Unions were created for a good reason. After all, at one time, Craft Unions were called Guilds and some are very, very, very old.

There is a raft of laws to protect staff which will prevent the decent into the dystopian world you claim would happen if Unions disappeared today, and the protection increases all the time!

But you don’t believe in these laws, do you, just like you don’t believe in Santa?

No, there *is* a use for Unions, but complaining about changes in UNREALISTIC conditions to *Reasonable* ones is not a good use. It makes them appear a waste of time.

So, I am sure you can answer my question above, you seem intent on demanding that my comment is "Rubbish".

Prove that the Unions have a use!

Explain what this "Reduction in the standard" of the terms and conditions is, so we can all see why the Unions should fight this case?

Mario

Well 30plus you might not think it is a big deal to have your T&C's erroded. Maybe this changes could mean the loss/altering of an indexed linked pension meaning you have a lot less chance of living some sort of half decent retirement. People will have gone into this sector because of these sort of T&C's and pulling the rug from under them is plain out of order as far as I am concerned.

Don't think this is far fetched as Guernsey states are looking into doing this at this very moment.

Is wanting a reasonable standard of living in retirement unreasonable?

Is wanting a living wage to pay your bills unreasonable?

Is having people earning enough so that the taxpayer has less of a burden unreasonable?

Is this unreasonable? I don't think so. It appears you do.

thirtysomething

Who says the terms are being eroded? Mario? I certainly never did. I cannot see a post here that states that other than yours. What evidence do you have?

Apparently, none. Otherwise why change the subject.

What has any of the claims you just made relevant to this? Why do you bring up retirement? Why mention paying bills? Why talk about tax burden at all? All of these are irrelevant to the question at hand.

In fact, what on earth are you ranting on about?

Instead of flying off on some tangent about your utopian world view, Simply answer the question I asked.

So, I ask again, Mario;

What terms and conditions are being changed, altered, reduced or erroded?

Until you can provide the answer, don’t rant on about unrelated issues. It is looking like you are making things up as you are unwilling to prove anything. You cant even type a simple user name into text program, so your voice isn’t carrying much weight.

thirtysomething

Jobs for the Boys Mario, screw everyone else as long as I am walking over them? Is that what you believe?

“People will have gone into this sector because of these sort of T&C’s and pulling the rug from under them is plain out of order as far as I am concerned.”

Of course, the exact same comment can be described as thus.

People have only moved to this sector to take advantage of amazingly unfair and ridiculous T&C for their own benefit.

That these terms are being changed to reflect the same terms present in the majority of other roles is only fair and should have happened a long time ago.

Only an fool would argue against it being fair and equal.

Are you a fool?

Mario

"Earlier this month the States negotiating body broke off pay talks and imposed its final offer of a 1% one-off payment this year, 1% rise and one-off payment next year, and a 4% rise in 2014 dependent on workers accepting changes to their terms and conditions".

30plus this is pasted from the article above. It is obvious you haven't read the article properly. So unfortunately you are incorrect yet again.

Mario

As I have said before it is up to the private sector to fight for better T&C's. If they had some backbone they would be in a better position. Stop whinging about other workers and get off your butt and improve your lot, that's if you aren't happy with being walked all over....which by the way you write your posts it appears that you are.

Parktown Prawn

Mario

It is quite sad how you believe your own tripe.

"Is having people earning enough so that the taxpayer has less of a burden unreasonable"

Your wages are a burden on the taxpayer....our taxes pay them!!

You talk about "backbone" and yet you have none which is evidenced by your easy option, choosing to work in the public sector.

You have previously stated anyone who works is a mug and in economic "slavery" and that people are basically losers if they want to work hard for a living.

Now this is the typical public sector mentality we all know and I for one am glad it will change.....you will come back down to earth with a thump Mario....when reality finally sinks in you may appreciate the private sector more than you do now.

Thirtysomething

Mario,

Yet again you ignore the simple question and try to divert away from the subject.

Yet again you bring up irrelevant details "Stop whinging about other workers conditions" I wasn't.

How can you continue to be so ignorant?

What are the changes to the terms and conditions?

If you cannot answer that question, YOU cannot complain about it being "out of order" It may very well be a change to improve the conditions of the workers, like the Connex one was.

Mario

So P.P. you are quite happy with people having low paid jobs and which means they are more likely to be claiming allowances to help them pay their rent etc.

I would much prefer higher wages so that the taxpayer doesn't have to make up the shortfall so these low earners don't need assistance with living costs. This would reduce your tax bill but you're not interested in this approach.

The other option is to like into ways of reducing the cost of living in Jersey then wages won't need to be as high.

I don't work in the public sector so that puts a big hole in your argument.

As for the work argument read this and learn something:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery

I have stated that hard work is no guarentee of advancement or betterment.

I have also stated that being rich does not automatically mean you deserve it or have earned it.

Work is a loss of time if you could be doing something else which you prefer if you were economically free to do so. Now I don't know about you but I have never seen a grave with "he was a good worker/manager" on it.

You do the private sector no favours with your ill thought out posts and inability to put a decent counter argument to posts made by other. You rant and rave but achieve no advancement in your argument and actually further undermine your original post due to this.

Parktown Prawn

Mario

You just don't get it!

There will be low paid jobs and there will be medium paid jobs and guess what? There will be highly paid jobs. That is life!

If you want a higher paid job then study and improve yourself....gain skills and knowledge.

My heart will not bleed for those who cannot be bothered.

"I don’t work in the public sector so that puts a big hole in your argument."

Right....so you just lied in your previous posts then?

It was only recently that you said your department within the States was one of a very few that made more money than it spent....this led me to make a quip that you must be a traffic warden.

Do you remember this now?

"Now I don’t know about you but I have never seen a grave with “he was a good worker/manager” on it. "

I have never wanted to look at gravestones thanks Mario....and you do? That's just freaky!

However, just to show how stupid that remark is.....how many work colleagues have ever had their boss buried.....in most cultures it is the family who do this!

You seem to me to be a deluded little man and quite a nasty piece of work.

You lie, fabricate "facts", never keep on topic, contradict yourself, ramble on with inane and irrelevant comments.....frankly you are a complete waste of time.

I used to engage you for my own amusement, but now I just think you are sad.

Captain Fantastic

Lets see the terms and conditions of the politicians that think spending 10+ million on waste land at Plemont is in the public interest? Buy Plemont then give the workers what they are due, seems fair enough to one and all then.

Kermit

I can benefit from Plemont, and generations will also. How a pay rise to the public workers is going to benefit me, specially when my tax money is needed to do that...

Fair enough will be to scrap their pensions then...

We all work and pay the same tax. Why do they get a pension and not us. Is it the States "label" which makes you superior to the majority of us...

Fair enough ? right...

evelyn

as i say the cant afford to strike no pay no homes bank repo. consider that

Mark G

They can afford to strike now as the States are to pay them the 1% lump sum this Christmas and 1% lump sum in January, this could be used by the strikers to help them though any strike action. By the States forcing this on the employees this has given the employees the little extra cash, not a lot but a little, which could be used to help for the 1 or 2 days of any strike.

bhoy

a load of tosh

jim

they are all lucky to have a job all of you stop moaning and get on with it

Bean Abroad

Fire the lot of them and start again. The are nothing but ungrateful bast*rds too busy trying to do as little as possible. They are a millstone around the neck of this island.

states worker

As a states worker who can see that the island is in a mess, i for one will not be striking there is no way i can afford to strike, in fact having a chat this week with some of my work collegues 90% will vote for no strike action. Our union is about as much use as a chocolate tea pot, our reps should have been round the negotiating table over 9 months ago, they have got no idea how most of the members feel, they never contact us, i for one will not be re newing my membership when it comes up for renewal.

Mark G

they have got no idea how most of the members feel... so why have you not got in touch and told them this?

scabinator

Yeah your what we call a scab

bhoy

if you strike you will all be replaced

Doctor what

And you are what we call a bully. Calling people names for standing up for what they believe in? You must be a special person to be able to do that....

At least a scab is a sign of healing, where as bullies are just festering puss.

joker

Pathetic. Name calling is an act of desperation when you realise you can’t make a case with reason.

Sam

"Can't afford to strike" some would say you can't afford NOT to strike.

Your right not to go on strike is one that you are entirely entitled to exercise. But if the strike convinced the SEB to get round the negotiating table and eventually offer something better, presumably you'll be rejecting it and accepting what they are forcing now. But when they have the vote and it is in favour of strikes, you'll see that you and your colleagues are in the minority.

It's not just up to the union to contact you, it's also up to you to contact them too you know...

But if it is the same with the teachers unions as with your union, actually they haven't been round the table for 9 months, because the SEB have been refusing to meet them, they have just been sending reps with no power to them.

The SEB need to sit down with them, it's no wonder there is a dispute when they aren't negotiating properly with them.

joker

"But if the strike convinced the SEB to get round the negotiating table and eventually offer something better, presumably you’ll be rejecting it and accepting what they are forcing now."

I'd reject it on principle that the government and the tax payer were held to ransom for money they don't have.

Mario

Held to ransom, you've been working in the private sector too long.

joker

Mario

How do conclude I work in the private sector when I’ve not claimed such? Besides it’s irrelevant where you work Mario, it’s where you live that counts. I live in the real world and in the real world we’ve seen salaries stagnate for the majority of the employed. Comparatively well paid public sector workers have been offered 1% for the next 2 years and 4% for the third. The majority of private sector workers would take that offer and I suspect the majority of public sector too because they understand what is going on around them both here and further ashore.

The tax payer should not be held to ransom by ignorance or greed.

Mario

As I said to your mate above if the private sector can't be bothered to stand up for themselves then that is their concern. Why bring other workers into it?

Greed? You having a laff? All you need to do is look around you and you will see where the real greed is.

P.S. are you a private sector worker or not? You're attitude comes across as such. May I suggest a course of sour grapes.

Parktown Prawn

Mario

Considering the private sector essentially pays YOUR wages through taxation, I would be a little bit more respectful if I were you.

You talk to Joker about attitude, but it is you that has the biggest attitude of all......you have no ability to reason or see both sides to an argument, you constantly contradict yourself and when you are asked pertinent questions your normally vocal self suddenly shuts up or changes the subject.

You have nothing to say and you say it too much!

Mario

Good to see the third member of the clan making a post P.P.

FYI the taxpayer whoever they happen to be pays towards the public sector but certain departments are more than paying their way and are actually reducing your tax bill along with everyone else. This has still gone over you head. Or maybe you refuse to comment on this as you don't want to undermine your position.

My posts are well reasonable and logical unlike some others on here who couldn't argue their way out of a brown paper bag.

Parktown Prawn

Do you know how ridiculous your comment sounds Mario?

The only way the states departments would be reducing my bill would be if none of my taxes had to pay their wages and costs.

As I pointed out to you in an earlier post..(which you never responded to)..my tax bill has increased almost EVERY year since I started work....so that shoots down your BS remark yet again!

"My posts are well reasonable and logical "

Delusion = a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.

pj

Before the private sector start commenting, may be they should take a read of the letter sent by the states regarding this, to cut it short and to the point, it basically said if you don't like it, tough luck.

Yet they offer one group a pay deal but not others, is this fair?

NO

JT

No sympathy whatsoever for these overpaid, lazy, parasites.

I have worked in the private sector all my life and haven't had a pay rise for 39 years and guess wot???? I'm grateful to have a job in these tough times. I don't mind my boss raking in a six figure salary because I'm grateful to feed from the scraps off his/her table.

These people need to get real, we're all in this together you know!! What makes them think they're so special? I would jump at the chance of clearing up other people's cr*p, it's much better than sitting in a warm, cosy office getting paid £0.72 per hour.

Be grateulf, peasants!!Don't argue with the boss, just doff your cap next time and be grateful. See you at the bottom......serfs!!!

Pip Clement

It is a strike but the very idea that something from the States might be a real possibility in less than a decade or two is quite exciting.

Maybe it might result in some new thinking and we could see electoral reform, a police commission, a solution to Jersey's drains, etc.

Endless indecision seems to plague everything.

I went along to the Electoral Commission meetings and amazingly some people argued that the fact the island could not change was a good thing.

The finance industry is in decline and if we want to save what is left then political change is needed.

At the moment, the light at the end of the tunnel is the train coming the other way!

Mark G

"haven’t had a pay rise for 39 years and guess wot????"......your a homeless guy claiming benefits? lol. no wage increase in 39 years.

Mark G

sorry just read this as well.lol

"getting paid £0.72 per hour" i got to ask if your been funny now? is this comment serious?

JT

No mate, I just thought I would try irony instead of reasoning. I get fed up reading the same old cr*p comments about being grateful to have any kind of job, etc.

People have got to start standing up for themselves otherwise they will be walked all over until he day they retire/die.

If you want humour/irony, post number 15 was a much better attempt than my meagre effort. Now that did make me laugh....

Paradigm shift

@JT

Your post was very amusing, made me smile, but be careful next time because Brain Research findings show that only 20% of human beings are 'capable' of detecting irony...which means that 80% of the population will take everything you write at face value and believe it!

Parktown Prawn

Are you sure that is not 20% of American human beings? ;-)

Wakey Wakey

Sam - “and a 4% rise in 2014 dependent on workers accepting changes to their terms and conditions.”

Read as “and a 4% rise in 2014 dependent on workers accepting a reduction in the standard of their working terms and conditions.”

And it's any different in the private sector? actually it is, my office has shrunk from 11 people to 5 and we are still expected to maintain the same output. No pay rise for 4 years and forget about striking, if you don't like it the door's that way.

Example tax office call and inevitably you will get a voicemail saying please leave a message and we'll get back to you within 48 hours. My office we must answer the phone within 4 rings or we are disciplined, if already engaged in a call we must call back within an hour of the call.

Good to see sensible comment from States Worker, there's now in't pot to give, OK our government are still heammoraging money but what do you expect from a bunch of self serving, back slapping nose in trough parasites.

I think reductions in the workforce are inevitable, instead of 6 blokes stood looking at one work it will be reduced to 4.

evelyn

what percent are on sick i hope they strike social security will be watching

Obediah

When I were a lad we used to work a 29 hour day and pay t'mill owner for permission to come to work........

Taxpayer

Manual worker on £20k a year, £200 a year pay rise, top civil servant £180k a year, £1,800 a year pay rise.

Hardly seems fair when manual workers are out in all weather doing physical work keeping the infrastructure of our island running.

Civil servants on the other hand are sitting behind their desk in their nice cosy office sipping coffee, playing Solitaire, messing around on the internet, and making up more stupid rules that affect all our lives just to keep themselves in their pointless jobs!

Maybe there should be a monetary pay rise for everyone and not a percentage, how about £600 for each States worker, manual and un-manual?

Kermit

At the end of the day, we all feel the inflation hitting us.

Should all the Island strike for a laugh ???

Zippy

"Should all the Island strike for a laugh ???"

Withhold paying tax !

Mario

Yes JT I'd have these sorts working hard 29 hours a day, in exchange for a bowl of rice once a week, and have them bow down in homage in front of my statue at the end of each shift! I would be enjoying myself whilst they worked hard making me lots of money.

;)

states worker

after posting my comment on the 10th above, well scabinator are you living in the 1900s, the union in Jersey has no clout whatsoever, the leaders are pathetic, go to any meeting and they are scared stiff of the st Helier bin gang, there is no chance of going on a work to rule as they dont want to lose their guaranteed overtime . What a shame we have not got a leader like the late Rene, or Mr Cavana, they could talk a fight, our leader could not fight his way out of a paper bag,

Easy life

I work for the states, I have also worked in private sector, both in managment. I bring skills from the private sector to the public sector. I' ve made savings and deliver an excellent service. I would welcome anyone to shadow me at any time. Lets not assume that all sates employees are lazy. Are we to believe that the private sector is so amazing, with all out performing those in public sector? I don't agre with much of the practice that goes on , but many of us do care and are fighting those who won,t move on and fail to perform. Trust me,it takes guts in the states system to stand up and say what's wrong,you don't get thanked for it. So give us a break and tell me how perfect you are and all your colleagues., so you have no office politics and all loved up are you?